Even if the dogs had not licked up blood, their presence in the woods could mean that their fur would have already been on the ground where the boys bodies were placed when discovered. It isnt difficult to assume that Terry was told by his parents for most of his life that homosexuals were sinners who were going to hell. French reported that prior to the incident she had gone to the Hobbs' home after hearing what she believed to be a domestic dispute. For the rest of the night the families, neighbors, friends and police search for the boys. Additionally, there is an ample amount of evidence, in my opinion, that Terry might have sexually abused all of his children. Douglas believes the act was meant to dominate, control, humiliate and punish. After all, it's the south. Also, although this may seem insignificant, Anthony Hollingsworth, LGs cousin, made a statement in May of 1993 that LG acts like he is gay. I know that all the experts agree that Michael was unconscious while he was tied up but I dont know about Stevie.. This is so hugely significant and yet lost on so many. This brings us to around 6pm at night. Is there any reason NOT to believe Terry Hobbs is guilty of the murders other than simply believing that the West Memphis Three did it? Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. The prosecution would mention a stick and Perreti kept saying, Or a 24. The teens wouldnt have minded being asked to wrestle initially and its even likely they would have removed their shirts to do so (especially if LG was wearing a shirt and tie at this time). If anyone might know where the boys were going or what their plans had been for that day, it would most likely have been Aaron. And since she couldnt have known this from a sighting, because the sighting never happened, then it must be from some other source. If the bikes had been found immediately, then the focus would have very quickly zeroed in on the people who were last with the victims. Stevie Branch was also tied with a less common and more complicated knot on one side, a Figure Eight Knot. I allege that LG was confronted by his parents because of some evidence that pointed to his guilt, and when caught, LG told them that Damien had committed the murder and he that had only helped them in some small way. Allegedly, Terry Hobbs told the boys he was going to teach them a lesson. (1) When Stevies autopsy was performed, a partially digested green-vegetable like substance was found in his belly. If it wasnt for your choices, this never would have happened!And, the act of tying up the boys, especially the manner in which they were tied up, looked somewhat sexual in nature. Hair found at . They are also one of very few people,who hadfamily memberswho suspected that they were involved and actually contacted police as a result of those suspicions. There is an easy explanation for that, though, if its true. According to Mark, Terry told him that the boys had been seen heading to the woods and that he was going to head down that way to look. Though the family was well-to-do, Terry was having financial problems when the three children were murdered in 1993. However, is it simply a coincidence that the statements that Aaron told police in 1993 coincide so perfectly with the alleged confessions that Buddy and LG made in 1994 and were later retold in 2012? He told the exact same story even though the two men were not in prison together. This theory was supported by police who were at the crime scene. Stevie knew Terry well. (source) LG had been job hunting that day and was likely wearing a shirt and tie for his interviews. And why would Jacoby publicly and openly admit that he lied under penalty of perjury and to police back in 2007? Additionally, a bite on the face during murders/attacks is not only common in homosexual attacks, like a bite to the scrotum is, but it also common in Battered Child Syndrome. ~What I couldnt tell from the autopsy report was if Stevie struggled in his ligatures or not. This is a theory about what could have happened the night of May 5, 1993. Basically, the truth was overshadowed by stories of cults and devil worshipping put into Aarons head by his mother and the West Memphis detectives, Bryn Ridge and Gary Gitchell. He noted that his son spent a lot of time in the home of Terry Hobbs and could easily have picked up the hair (with DNA matching that of Terry Hobbs) found in his shoelaces on one of those occasions. Otherwise, there would be no reason to hide these items. So that would prove that there are only two reason why Jacoby would lie to protect Hobbs: its either because he participated in the murders himself or he knows Hobbs did it and he has known it for many years. Humiliation is a strong word and punishment for the situation. After the boys wrestled, the men offered them more marijuana and whiskey. As noted earlier, the autopsies revealed that Michael was quickly incapacitated with a few defensive wounds to the hands, which implied to the Medical Examiner that Michaelwasin fact the first one to be attacked. However, the police knew LG was lying to them and yet his DNA, hair and prints have presumably never been tested against those found at the scene. THAT THE FIVE MAN MAY HAVE CAUGHT THEM? In his first interview, taken shortly after the murders, he claims he went home in the early afternoon but then changes his story and puts himself in Lakeshore at 4:30. I strongly feel that this was something that only the killer or someone who witnessed the killing, would have known. This subreddit is dedicated to the West Memphis Three and the ongoing mystery of who really killed the boys they were wrongly convicted for murdering. I dont believe when Terry first saw them that he intended to kill them. These men had no reason to lie or even tell their story, if not for justice. This is just more evidence to support the statements from Stevies family that he was being abused by Terry.). . Especially considering how extremely rare it is for a victim to be tied in this manner. AND THAT WHITE TANK TOP MAN. At that time and also later, when Bennie sent his letter and Billy was contacted, both men were in prison, separately. We can assume this because of the 6:00/6:30 sighting from the service road. The Hobbses are the mother and stepfather of Steve Branch, who. (1, 2,) He originally claims to have asked his aunt for a ride home, that she said no, and he left and began to walk home. I am not scared of that boy. Those partially digested vegetables not only prove the long held belief that the boys died around 7pm, shortly after being seen, but that Stevie most likely ate those vegetables right near 5:00 pm. It seems more likely that someonesawHobbs make a pass at Jacoby and then told Natalie Maines lawyers about it. David Jacoby was never interviewed either. Its been so long ago you know it may not be in the right order but I know he did come over around 5:30/6 oclock and we played the guitar for a while and then he said he had to go. Por - 10 junio 2022. ~It appears the boys *were* punched.. at least a little bit. Also, he may have searched for the boys in the woods around 5pm when he dropped Pam off at work, also when Terry was unaccounted for. Two private investigators looking into the case on their behalf eventually turned their sights on Terry Hobbs, Steve's stepfather, because his story did not add up -- he had claimed that he had begun searching for the boys at 6 pm on the day they had disappeared when in reality, they had only been reported missing at 9 pm. Before I further explain and explore all the evidence that points to Terry Hobbs, David Jacoby, LG Hollingsworth, and Buddy Lucas being the perpetrators of this murder, I would like to reiterate something: there is almost no possibility that one person could have committed this murder alone in the timeframe it occurred. Also, Chris and Michael told Aaron never to tell Stevie. Cookie Notice I think its likely that Terry took the board with him as well to dispose of later or had it thrown in the bayou. I believe that after Terrys attack on Stevies face, and with Stevie still quite conscious, this is when the tying of the children began. Secondly, Michael was tied up on one side using square knots. If Terry had been spotted driving around with LG by either the Moores, Byers or any policemen who might have been in the vicinity, that could have raised some difficult questions for Terry to answer. subscribe to the Crime Stories with Nancy Grace podcast. RIDGE: OKAY, WHEN YOU WENT DOWN THERE WHO ALL WENT WITH YOU MOST THE TIME? 7 Driver? RIDGE OKAY, NOW THE CONVERSATION YOU HAD WITH HIS AUNT WHAT IS HER NAME AGAIN? RIDGE: OKAY, WHAT DO YOU THINK HAPPENED TO THEM? What really stands out to me is that the guilt or innocence of the men known as the West Memphis Three has been wildly debated through the years. In order to have a deeper understanding of what happened, we must start at the beginning. 4:00 Chris leaves leaves Pams house to meet up with Stevie and Michael who are out riding their bikes in the neighborhood. RIDGE: OKAY, UH, YOUR SAYING THEIR DOING THINGS LIKE MAN AND WOMEN WOULD BE DOING. 'West Memphis Three' case: John Byers, suspect and stepfather - MEAWW However, according to Billy, one of the boys kicked Terry after he was caught and brought to him. was terry hobbs ever found - wytprod.com What they discovered was a very organized, catalogued and intact body of evidence, a group working on the case previously wrote. Stevie also appeared to have a footwear impression on the back of his head; meaning that Stevie was likely kicked or stomped at the end of his attack. That makes sense to me. AND UH, HE SAID AFTER WE HAD LEFT THE MOORES COMING OUT OF THEIR DOOR HE TOLD ME MAMA LETS GO TO THE CLUB HOUSE. On May 6, 1993, three boys are found hog-tied and murdered in a ditch in West Memphis, Arkansas. Thats four hours. Then he changes his story again and said that Narlene did give him a ride home around this time. Chris was only spotted on a skateboard up until 6pm. Terry Hobbs was born in 1958 and grew up in Northern Arkansas. Sometime right after 5:30, according to the Byers, Chris took off again from his house. Terry Hobbs, the stepfather of eight-year-old victim Stevie Branch, has been named in documents released in Marian, Arkansas by the attorneys for Pam Hobbs, Stevie's mother. had been during the evening on 5-5-93. RIDGE: OKAY. RIDGE YOU DIDNT GO OVER THERE THAT DAY? After Terrys attack on Chris groin, was when, allegedly, David hit Chris till Buddy believed he was dead. RIDGE: YOU WERE ALWAYS THERE FIRST. Todd Moore, father of victim Michael Moore, found the evidence against Hobbs unpersuasive. Im not sure if that rumor is true or not, but I do believe TH may have done it & DJ knew about it. I know there was a warning but the warning wasn't clear enough. Even more damaging is the specifics of the way the three boys were tied up. Whats peculiar is that Michael Moore was somewhat further away from Stevie and Chris, and that the location of the bodies was actually around 20 feet south of the suspected murder location. And its about time we started putting some pressure on him for some real answers. Echols specifically wants the shoestrings used to tie up the victims to be tested at a California lab that utilizes new technology to extract DNA from evidence. He writes that there is sign of hemorrhage. While searching through the evidence, their lawyer and private investigator found a letter written to prosecutor, Scott Ellington in February 2012. Problem is, many of the things he says about him are also true for the WM3, at least Damien. RIDGE: ALRIGHT, YOUVE BEEN TO YOUR CLUB BEFORE WITH THEM? THEY SAID NO WE HID THEY COULDNT SEE US. Why would she get in trouble for that? This not only puts Buddy in Lakeshore at the possible time that Terry Hobbs and David Jacoby could have shown up, but it shows that his whereabouts were unknown at the time the murder occurred. Lastly, Stevie branch apparently told his cousin that Terry was molesting him and Amanda. ! Retired FBI profiler, John Douglas, as well as profiler Brent Turvey both believed the entire attack was punitive in nature and that the perpetrator was teaching the boys a lesson for either a real or percieved transgression. After doing so, they most likely would have walked down south in the ditch till the water was the deep enough and also not directly beside the crime scene. Facebook. What this means is that the men would have only needed to briefly remove their shoes before entering the water. SO WHAT HAPPENED NEXT? The type of DNA testing utilized pertains to mtDNA. West Memphis Three: Who is the real killer behind the brutal - MEAWW The problem with that is that Chris was under the carport cleaning at 5:30, according to both of his parents. This could have given him ample time to clean the area. Just finished the trilogy and West of Memphis and I noticed something that made THE lightbulb off about him. It is clear to many experts that the left side of Stevies face had been bitten by turtles. And, allegedly, David was the one who caught Christopher, so I believe the first person who was attacked was Michael. The four men see the young boys spying, one man in particular, the stepfather of one child, orders the others to grab them; he flies into a rage and hits the boys, and the attack leads to murder. VICKIE: IT WAS COPSRIDGE: WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT DEAD ON? In 2007 it was discovered that a hair that had been found underneath a ligature on Michael Moores nude body, belonged to Terry Hobbs. Right around 8:40, I believe that David would have walked or driven home, depending on who was driving that night and Terry and LG would have gotten into Pam and Terrys small, white Toyota. This was an attempt, clearly, to make the discovery of the boys more difficult. (source) All of these interviews and statements show that not only did LG not have an alibi, but he lied about his alibi and asked other people to lie about being with him, too. in fact the first one to be attacked. THEY UM. West Memphis Three. The West Memphis Three Trial: Who was the real killer or killers? Not even Damien, Jason or Jessie had any of that happen to them, and they were the ones who were falsely arrested for the crime. That means that Chris would have not fought back much because after being stabbed, he probably would have been very weak. They were so sure that the murders were part of a satanic ritual done by teenagers, and were so desperate to make sure that Aarons answers revealed that, that eventually Aarons statements began to get more and more fantastical and implausible. A couple of months later, French contacted the police and her landlord after Hobbs reportedly came into her home and grabbed her breast. Friday, January 20th 2012. Ive thought about this in length and I think I understand what may have occurred. When you look at the evidence as a whole, it is quite clear and truly undeniable what really occurred that tragic day. Buddy also knew Billy, so he, too would have told Terry to go by Billys. One of the most vital components of this theory is whether LG and Buddy had alibis for this night. AND HE SAID BECAUSE WE WERE SCARED, AND THEY WERE SCARED I GUESS OF GETTING CAUGHT THEN AND AH HE SAID MICHAEL KEPT TELLING ME THAT IT WAS AN INDIAN THING THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO AND CHRIS SAID NO THEIR GETTING READY TO HAVE SEX. Lastly, even David Jacoby, friend to Terry Hobbs, testified that when Terry arrived at his home at 5:30, he asked Terry where Stevie was. If the boys truly had interrupted the men in the middle of a sex act, then it would be understandable why there were sexual overtones to their murder. The reason for the prosecutions stance, I believe, is because the bitemark never matched Echols, Baldwin or Misskelley. This could mean that Terry could have arrived sometime between 8:45 and 9:00pm. Catch them! When the teens brought the boys back, one of them kicked Hobbs which sent him into a rage. And even if he did work the day of the 5th, its the late afternoon/night that is important. I will not claim that everything I write is certified fact, but I do believe that all the known evidence supports this theory as the truth of what happened in West Memphis, Arkansas in 1993. http://callahan.8k.com/pdf/de_dnamotion3_30_11.pdf. Aaron Hutchinson also stated that the clubhouse consisted of some old boards: AARON: IN ROBIN HOOD UH, THE PLACE WHERE THE BOARDS ARERIDGE: WAS IT THERE WHERE YOUR CLUB IS OR WAS IT SOME WHERE ELSE IN THOSE WOODS?AARON: IT WAS RIGHT BESIDE OUR UM, TREE HOUSE, And in 2011, pleadings for further DNA testing of the boards that were found next to the clubhouse:http://callahan.8k.com/pdf/de_dnamotion3_30_11.pdf. If that is true, then that is more evidence to support Billys statements as being factual. VICKIE: YESYES I HAVERIDGE: AND WHEN WERE YOU THERE BEFORE? HES NEVER SEEN THEMRIDGE: OH, OKAYAARON: CAUSE IT WAS ON A FRIDAY WHENEVER HE WENT DOWN THERE WITH USRIDGE: DID YOU EVER TELL ANYDODY ABOUT IT?AARON: HU-UH (NO)RIDGE: WHY? RIDGE WHO WERE WORKING IN CONSTRUCTION WORK? BREAKING: 'West Of Memphis' Unveils New Witnesses In Murder Case WHAT DID YOU ALL HIDE AND WAIT FOR THEM? Ifvery conservativelyone in every 10-20 people is gay or bi, and the police force is made up of 20 people (just a fun number) one of those cops is gonna like dick. The photo on the left is Stevies bitemark and the photos on the right are other known bitemarks. However, therearesuspects and there is an abundance of evidence open to the public. What this shows us is that Jacoby knows the truth. Furthermore, Terry himself claimed to be in those woods all night, up until the early morning. Crime scene footage of the pile of boards. I theorize they then cleaned up the blood from Chris injuries by scraping up the mud, grass, leaves and blood and throwing it into the drainage ditch. For instance: Terry says the two ran in to an older whiteman who told them the boys were heading towards the woods. If Michael had kicked Terry that could have been the impetus that pushed Terry to hit him back. ~Stevie had bruises on the back of his hands, indicating he put up a fight. After 18 months Echols was informed that the evidence was likely not available, but after a state court order, Echols team was invited to the West Memphis Police Department to review what evidence remained. So, here is my theory of what happened. When Dixie told her of him coming in to the laundry in the small car she asked if she was sure that it wasnt Richard Simpsons car. oh boy. What is stranger, and in complete contrast to what was previously said, David also claims that he and Terry were out searching the streets for Stevie before dark. Her relay of the conversation seems to reveal that Narlene is talking to LG as if they both know that Damien is guilty. When Narlene was interviewed she claimed to have dropped LG off at his home. I TOOK AARON TO TODD AND DANAS HOUSE AND UM, TODD ASKED AARON IF HE MIGHT KNOW DID CHRIS OR MICHAEL SAY ANYTHING TO HIM, TO THE EFFECT WHERE THEY MIGHT BE. In the autopsy reports, it, As noted earlier, the autopsies revealed that Michael was quickly incapacitated with a few defensive wounds to the hands, which implied to the Medical Examiner that Michael. At 6:40 the men may have shown up in the BB woods, some wrestling may have occurred and some drinking and/or smoking and even the beginning of sexual activity. Hobbs, who dropped Pamela off at work at around 4:30 p.m., picked her up at approximately 9 p.m. and walked straight to a payphone to report the boy missing. These boards were right next to the clubhouse which means that when the boys were caught, they most likely would have been caught very close to where these boards lay, easily seen to the naked eye. She has since expressed her belief that her ex-husband was involved in the murders, citing the discovery of her son's favorite pocket knife in Terry Hobbs' belongings. The most significant of them all, was the specific act of taking the bikes to the bayou, which were very likely with the children inside the Blue Beacon Woods. I truly believe the real killer(s) are still out there and it's not the WM3. I have a very strong suspicion that Narlene lied about dropping LG off at home and there is ample evidence to support this. LITTLE ROCK The defense team for the West Memphis Three says it's has new evidence against the step father for one of the three victims, Terry Hobbs. Have you had a drug dealer named Ray? In my opinion, it shows that this theory is actually exactly what happened. That means that they may have punched Stevie, but may not have taken it farther than that. Aaron claimed that he and his friends would go to the woods, hide, and spy on men as they smoked marijuana and had sex. The purpose, according to FBI profiler, John Douglas, was to humiliate, demean and control. So although at least some experts said the boys were not punched, I dont believe thats true at all. Jacoby is adamant to anyone who listens that Hobbs is not his friend. New Details in New Affidavits About West Memphis Murders The new documents. that triggers narcissistic rage, he blacks out with rage and goes too far. RIDGE: THE ONE IN THE WHITE SHIRT DOES HE LIKE TO BOSS? When police finally did ask Buddy where he was the night of the 5th, he claimed that he barbecued with his family and then brought over some barbecue chicken to Jessie who ended up not being there. Stevens mother, Pamela Hobbs, worked a shift at the Catfish Island restaurant the day her son vanished. Only two people's DNA was ever found at the scene. As the men submerged the boys, I believe the two teens took the bicycles to the bayou where they dumped them on the north side of the pipe bridge. And, it had to have been between 5:30 and 6:00 because Chris abandoned his skateboard by 6:00 and joined Stevie on his bicycle. They had been stripped naked, hogtied and beaten. Terry was born in Northern Arkansas and grew up in the Ozark Mountain region of the state. There are so many rumors, lies and blatant ignorance surrounding this case. However, according to Billy, one of the boys kicked Terry after he was caught and brought to him. Why would he ask Terry where Stevie was if he literally had seen Stevie riding in the street with his friends a few minutes prior? I think Michelle died of a broken heart, possibly organ failure due to drug abuse. Terry Hobbs grew up working for his dad as a butcher; his job was to tie up cattle and hogs, transport them, butcher them and to possible even prepare and bind the meat. This is actually supported by various testimony, which I will bring up later. Within a week of that delivery, I also delivered marijuana, cocaine, and crystal meth to Mr. Hobbs in Memphis, Tennessee, on Madison Avenue at a gay bar called J-Wags. VICKIE: ANY TIME MY CHILD DIDNT COME HOME ON TIME THATS WHERE I WOULD LOOK FOR HIMRIDGE: OKAY, YOU HAD BEEN THERE ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS? And, since Pam regularly made dinner at 4:30, Stevie knew that dinner was going to be around this time. A rather uncommon knot for a regular person but a very common knot for a former butcher or farmer. Terry Hobbs was a violent man, this is proven and well documented, and the way Douglass pictures it, he likely wanted to punish or humiliate one or all of the boys and it went too far, leading him to murder them so they wouldn't be able to tell anyone. To me, this suggests that perhaps this was common knowledge around Terrys group of friends. That leaves one very glaring, unexplainable question. Vickie Hutchinson described the clubhouse like this: RIDGE: WHAT DID THE CLUB HOUSE CONSIST OF? At 8:42, officer Meeks was dispatched to another call and left. THAT THE FIVE MAN MAY HAVE CAUGHT THEM? This means that the boys had most likely arrived to the Blue Beacon Woods before the four men did, crossing over from the west side of the drainage ditch to the east side of the drainage ditch, on a log that lay across the ditch at the south end. Sometime after 5:00 Stevie then told his friends he really needed to go home and so they began to head back that way. His alibi for the night of the murders was shaky (the friend he says he was with says he left for a while) and he acted strangely towards his wife when he went to pick her up from work, walking past her and not saying anything, just calling the police to report the boys missing. SO THIS FRIGHTENED ME, SO I GOT AARON OUT OF THERE AND WE WENT HOME. In the beginning I thought it was TH. It's pure evil and hate. RIDGE ALRIGHT, DID SHE KNOW WHERE HE HAD BEEN? I believe he wanted to punish them because he faultedthemfor spying. VICKIE: SO THEN UM, II JUST GOT AARON OUT OF THERE BECAUSE YOU KNOW. 9pm at night, and according to her, he was wearing a white shirt and tie. If the mark above Stevies eye truly is a bitemark that is also powerful evidence in support of the Bennie/Billy statements. So why didnt Terry return to the Moores house in the four frantic hours he searched for Stevie in their tiny neighborhood? thirty minutes to clean up the crime scene before it got dark. You have to remember that during this time these two men were quite young, mid twenties/mid thirties and they had just gotten off of work, they had Davids wife Bobby to watch the kids, Pam was at work and Stevie was playing with his friends and wouldnt be back till 8pm. RIDGE: FIVE TIMES YOU SAW IT HAPPEN FIVE TIMES? Echols is one of three men found guilty in the brutal murders of three eight-year-old boys in West Memphis in 1993. It puts all questions to rest. Jamie Clark Ballard, who lived only three doors down from Terry and Pam Hobbs, has supplied a sworn affidavit, as have both her . CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME WHERE THE CLUB IS?AARON: ITS, ITS IN UH, ITS IN THOSE WOODS WHERE UH, WHERE THAT STOP SIGN IS AND ITSRIDGE: IS THE WOODS HAVE THEY GOT A NAME THEY CALL THEM ROBIN HOOD IS THAT RIGHT?AARON: UH-HUH (YES)RIDGE: IT IS OKAY, YOUVE BEEN DOWN THERE BEFORE?AARON: YES SIRRIDGE: DO YOU GO DOWN THERE A LOT?AARON: (inaudible)RIDGE: OKAY, WHEN YOU WENT DOWN THERE WHO ALL WENT WITH YOU MOST THE TIME?AARON: MICHAEL AND CHRISRIDGE: OKAY, AND WHAT DID YOU DO WHEN YOU WENT DOWN THERE?AARON: WE PLAYEDRIDGE: OKAY, DID YOU EVERAARON: AND THEN SOMETIMES WE WATCHED THESE MENRIDGE: THESE MEN. West Memphis Three: CrimeCon Experts Analyze Never-Before-Seen Terry And uh Steve was suppose to come by (not audible) before dark I thank it was bout yeah it was bout this time a year it git dark around 8 oclock or so, and he said he told em to be back before dark. When Jessie was fully investigated by police, it never once came up that Jessie was with Buddy that night. I rewatched the paradise lost docs and in the last one, just before the murders, Pam had "kissed a Mexican" and Terry said that years later when he brought on the lawsuit with Natalie Maines. I believe this somehow got back to Narlene, who began to feel that it was her duty that justice be served. However,wehave the ability to read all the information and evidence that is available to the public, and its not difficult to see that itallsupports that this theory is more than just a theory. ~Even Peretti agrees that Chris had post mortem wounds in his groin area as well as pre mortem. I learned through my connection in the drug-trade that Mr. Hobbs preferred sexwith young boys. My theory is that Chris had tried to get into his home and failed and was heading back to Stevies house when he was picked up by his dad instead. Jared: When they [the police] met you at the restaurant, was it just closer to meet you there as opposed to going to the neighborhood?, Hobbs: Thats where we called them from, so we knew they would be coming up somewhere near there.. Mark on Stevies leg, possibly made by edge of the board found at crime scene. According to Fox 13 Memphis, Benca previously said the evidence was intact and they plan to move ahead and test this evidenceusing the latest DNA technology available to hopefully identify the real killer(s) of the three children in 1993 and exonerate Damien Echols, Jason Baldwin, and Jesse Misskelley..

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