Nice. I turn off the VPN and the Router begins working again. I pay $50 for the first line and $30 for each after. So, you define a TTL on the router one position above one standard value, and the modem will lower it to a . I couldnt readily grok how to reply to the author, directly, so Im dumping it here , Lucubrating? A quick Google search will help yah with that. No warnings, no speed cuts. ubuntu can manage whatever you throw at it, the limiting factor will be the wifi card at that point, if you have a old laptop you could just connect the ubuntu machine via wifi and share the internet via Ethernet to a router(or just use the built in android usb tethering, ubuntu supports it natively and just share that via ethernet or wifi from the pc) , it should manage to get you 100Mbs at least if the towers in your area support that, download the speedtest app on your android to compare, some degradation is normal, but on a good lte connection 30Mbs would be the min(if you are deprioritized) and i would expect 45-50+ depending on what the towers can provide in your area, android uses normal ndis at this point over a generic driver, windows has support built in since at least windows 8(havent tested with anything older). by Prvt.N00b Mon Feb 28, 2022 9:58 am, Post I would assume its not directly compatible and needs tweaking on the interface names etc. I cant remember what I used to do it though. You don't need any TTL rules with this method. Havent hardly used Merlin but are you sure its not your script?? The first method didnt work for meI have an LG Aristo for T-Mobile (Not MetroPCS brand) with the $45 unlimited monthly prepaid plan and Ive tried the first step with the dun=0 thing and Im able to get into adb shell settings on my Windows 7 64-bit laptop via command prompt (had to install it by downloading the 1.3 version of adb tools since the latest version 1.4.3 didnt work for me) but I get this error after I type in settings put global tether_dun_required 0 and press enter http://imgur.com/fQNSP9K (please ignore the blank user lol I just edited that out during screenshot) can someone tell me what Im doing wrong? then I had to rewrite global tethering as such on adb as such: Type adb shell and press enter. Or just gprs or something other than lte/4g. However when I run my linux machine in Windows10, or a laptop on Windows 10, it throttles, even though if I ping the local ip address 192.168.1.77 for example, it shows TTL is 65. Its like this; take a router, make it a gateway with dhcp, dns, etc, etc and record the speed through the device, now take the same setup and make it just an access point and let a seperate modem handle the wan traffic and record the differences. My bad need sleep. About a year ago, we bit the bullet and upgraded to the T Mobile One Plus International add-on for unlimited, high-speed tethering and hotspot data. So I went back to an ATT SIM several months ago and all is well again. Using wifi just slows down the communication speed especially if the phone only has one and antenna for tx/rx. Is there any other ways of how to bypass this? I got a tablet, & I wanna share the internet with it. Itll hit your 8 giG limit and RARELY go over as a bug on their end but it still will go past 8 through the normal data because its only a yellow flag on your account. While it may slow down your connection a bit, one sure way to get around any sniffing T-Mobile might be doing to detect your tether usage is to tunnel your traffic through a VPN (Virtual Private Network). As an alternative test scenario, have you tried the USB tether phone into Windows 7 (connected to the router)? As you indicate, unless the kernel (or networking driver?) i doubt anyone can tell you, as far i know this blog is almost exclusively meant for people in the us and this post was meant for T-Mobile explicitly, nothing on here is guaranteed to work with other Telecoms, and everything on here starts with the prerequisite that you have a unlimited data plan for your phone, all this does is help bypass hotspot restrictions, outside of that you need to know how your provider filters the data. while Android has one of 64, if you change the TTL for windows to 65 when it gets to the phone the TTL will go down by one makeing it equal 64 the same as the phone. You wrote that you pushed a tmobile carrier bundle. If you're tethering from a mobile phone, adjusting TTL won't do anything. When testing my settings I use a sim thats already over its limit and tweak until I get lte speeds. On some smartphones, the only method to change the TTL is to manually overwrite the parameter in the configuration file. If anyone has any detailed suggestions it would be much appreciated Thanks! Lo and behold, there was no change on the hotspot data usage of my account, so Im good to go. Will report back. Enter the same command used in OS X that I posted above. If you cant tether another android device while abroad can I ask the question how does it know. You need to use an app which tunnels data between computer and the phone using android usb debugging, and I found the most reliable app for this is easytether pro. If it ignores it it will revert back to the unknown bundle like Ive been trying to explain as well as what the guy is talking about in the link I posted. If you have home internet, you can vpn into your home router and basically be your own vpn provider. Our device has unlimited data. Tried trial version of TunnelBear VPN, not working. In the right pane, add the following value: Trying to get this set up for my parents as they have no other internet options. I dont know either. Ok. C:\Windows\system32>ping 127.0.0.1Pinging 127.0.0.1 with 32 bytes of data:Reply from 127.0.0.1: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=100Reply from 127.0.0.1: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=100Reply from 127.0.0.1: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=100Reply from 127.0.0.1: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=100Ping statistics for 127.0.0.1: Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds: Minimum = 0ms, Maximum = 0ms, Average = 0ms, C:\Windows\system32>ping 192.168.0.1Pinging 192.168.0.1 with 32 bytes of data:Reply from 192.168.0.1: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64Reply from 192.168.0.1: bytes=32 time=1ms TTL=64Reply from 192.168.0.1: bytes=32 time=1ms TTL=64Reply from 192.168.0.1: bytes=32 time=1ms TTL=64Ping statistics for 192.168.0.1: Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds: Minimum = 0ms, Maximum = 1ms, Average = 0msC:\Windows\system32>ping www.google.comPinging www.google.com [216.58.209.68] with 32 bytes of data:Reply from 216.58.209.68: bytes=32 time=24ms TTL=57Reply from 216.58.209.68: bytes=32 time=24ms TTL=57Reply from 216.58.209.68: bytes=32 time=24ms TTL=57Reply from 216.58.209.68: bytes=32 time=22ms TTL=57Ping statistics for 216.58.209.68: Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds: Minimum = 22ms, Maximum = 24ms, Average = 23ms. Great article and great info in the comments everyone! 15K views 3 years ago a certain phone carrier throttles hotspot data throughput to roughly 500kbps, i show how to edit ttl to mask packets to seem to have originated from the phone its self. For T-Mobile anyway they text me a warning with over 50gb of data use (phone use or not) and "can" throttle me during peak hrs/congestion (I have noticed what might be throttling but is more likely congestion 5-9pm on weeknights). It could do SOME tasks via the usb, including all filetransfer & charging. The PIA android app is OFF on the phone, and the tethered Win 7 machine is not running the windows program for PIA. Even if youre streaming with the new h.265 codecwhich cuts the bit rate by about half, but still hasnt found its way into many consumer productsyoure still looking at 7GB/hour. After that we can worry about breaking the Sig. get_wanface: not found I dont recommend it personally as it uses a lot of overhead on the phone its self and then also some on the device tethered. [GUIDE] Increase your Nexus 4's system partition for more space! Make sure youre in the right carrier bundle folder as there is the one the phone uses and there is a copy of the list on the phone as well. This caused it to revert like we wanted. o Used unlockit.co.nz website to upload APN for US TMo LTE. See ya guys. But the device Wi-Fi hotspot is sloooooow. Built-in Godox 2.4G Wireless X System: Built-in with the Godox 2.4G wireless X system, the V860III ensures a reliable shooting process with seamless . Glad it is working well for you. For those worried about (as you rightfully should be) the best way to do it is to use the plan thats supposed to only allow up to 480p (it actually allows above but scales it back to around 1080p). Where are you getting the bundles from?? I think it is b1300 and a newer phone with more bands (nexus 4 had to be hacked to enable lte and only on band 4). If I create one, it is to be executed? roid.permission.WRITE_SECURE_SETTINGS The Caps was a typo, but since it's working, I left it. C. How is an internal vpn relating to your hotspot as far as hiding data?? I have a question: why you are looking on TTL of ICMP __REPLY__? As long as Im connected by USB (PDAnet) only, I get the full unrestricted 20 to 30+ mbs. tried usb debugging. It couldn't set any settings, but it did set'em with order to set on boot. Case 2: Bridged setup With this app, the traffic appears to originate from a native phone app, bypassing hotspot throttling. Thanks so much for this informative discussion. Please help Change TTl on Openwrt in GL-MT3000, Curl not working on 4G repeater but work on Ethernet, (Noob)How to ssh and change ttl in GL-AR750, GL-AP1300 Disconnects Often + Other questions. I consistantly use a little over 30G per month, sometimes much more. Some people might not need to use a VPN if they are just going from their phone to one device (without an extra hop). With that said, the tricks I have below arent going to offer you truly unlimited tethering data either because that 28GB soft-cap will result in T-Mobile slowing you down if you go over in one billing cycle. And I tried changing the TTL in the Registry Editor, in both Hex and decimal. ASSUMING, O our God here we go, you meant a wireless reapeater; I dont feel that saying it only get cuts in half with a single antennie repeater bridge is fair. From the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE subtree, go to the following key: by Tuna8er Mon Sep 06, 2021 6:56 pm, Post ~Since youve already edited/corrupted the metro bundle for iso11, why not upload and post it? I installed FoxFi and seemed working but after a while, they slowed it again. I need someone to help shed some light. Is it sneaky? I'm sure theres something you can change. but found that by checking None under PdaNet settings. We had good luck with the different methods listed in the article, for a few months. Not sure if its the battery or just done for. So I'm not sure what you're asking. Still dont get how youre tethering on the 50 plan with no iPhone JB. [GUIDE] Increase your Nexus 4's system partition for more space! Thank you and if you need more from me, just ask. Tmob says thank you (normal) For me the Dun=0 trick and PdaNet worked well enough, I didnt have to resort to a VPN, but your mileage may vary depending on what phone you have and the total network traffic in your area. no reason to boot into recovery, just boot the phone and type adb shell to get a shell prompt then the command settings put global tether_dun_required 0 that all. ---------- Post added at 12:44 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:40 AM ----------. If so, id have to think about why but for some odd reason, once again if it does still ping 65, it sounds like you can just set the registry and forget it. For example, if I try to input your code into my router, I get the following: Cos end up ising 30Gb i first few days of billing cycle, n then stuck iwth 512kbps:(. Much faster with USB tethering, which is why we would like to tether to a router and connect that way but still hiding our tethering. Really g2g ~How did your jailbroken device corrupt a carrier bundle (to then copy to other device)? Now I have 3 routers, one for home, 1 for work to share w my workers, 1 in my RV to share w my teenage kids. Forgot all about this. Jay you are partially right on the filter system but thats because of the flagging system TheY use now and I understand ALL about pfsense but its limits are horrid use Ubuntu server or its flip off sent yal if you want gui I prefer my own build though. Iphone will not work unless you have serious chops. I havent had a need to side load one but like twice before I could get a jailbreak. You mean less than one for each tx and rx. I know cause these are what worked for me. I watch Netflix, Amazon Prime, HBOGO, etc. EDIT: Correction on testing the TTL. right. I have no clue what you want these rules to "work" for. There are many PC clients. My COMBO works for me on T-Mobile unlimited. any chance you could email me directly to help me with a problem? I spent hours trying to do this. Ha. Now obviously the ttl value is different and I understand that you add one to 64 for every connection between your device accessing the web and your phone. The fine print will be what makes or breaks you. net.ipv4.ip_default_ttl=65, I mean in step 4, do I have to enter the command: but would you mind elaborating the steps that need to be taken in order to achieve the desired effect? Let me know how it all goes for you until I can put in some leg work myself. How should I configure the wan interface ttl to 65 network wide? I tried the free version of PDAnet, and I can get unthrottled speed, but cannot share the connection with the router in order for other devices to use it. Im pretty sure its all in the comments I wrote. iptables -t mangle -A POSTROUTING -j TTL ttl-set 65 Tried the registry method Default TTL to 65, not working. I checked registry and the ttl stuck. Cost me absolutely nothing except for the occasional expensive thank-you gift. hello people PDA work now .at first it wasnt working I listen to you guys on settings put global tether dun. Again, make sure you're running CMD as administrator. Does the ttl method on router or laptop, adding dun, vpn, still working as of December 2018? Wouldnt torrents get flagged also? The only modification in the copied firewall command was changing the TTL to 66 by Dre40 Wed Dec 23, 2020 4:18 pm, Post It really sounds like your carrier files are being ignored due to incompatibility or currupt signatures. How do you post the code syntax in your messages? Yeah seems they dont like linux user agents or something, tried mint, Ubuntu,redhat, elementary and all of them didnt let hotspot through properly even when i proxed the connection to the phone, only solution i found was to edit the us strings in a separate box , luckily i do t need linux to much, so i can deal with it, I was wondering if you could give me a little more information regarding what I need to do to implement the modification you made to your asus router? I use a USB tethered phone into a Windows 7 Pro laptop. I also know that last I checked I was able to use iBoot Bot?? Im currently switching to a BSD box OPNsense (not my first choice but saved headaches involved with PFsense). Chris pfsense is free jusT like all of the other nix. It doesnt work. But kind of complex to find, without your hint on location of the file to edit I couldn't google where it can be. I can't seem to find the right place to put it. But not flashing. So far using hundreds of GBs and getting totally usable speeds.low end maybe 7-8MBS at worst and usually around 18-25Mbssometimes even 30+Mbs depending on how busy the network is. I tried easytether pro and got slightly faster speeds and the big difference for me was that it almost never disconnects. 4) NO the speed will remain full speed within a Meg or two unlike youre Windows set up. Either way, I will be doing this sometime soon myself after ios11 roles out in like an hour. There's a web GUI for that. The hard part was changing the firmware of an ASUS RT-N66U router I bought for this project. The day you guys realize that what I route above is thE ONLY way Ive ever found to give you 200-280Mbs. Hey so I applied your ttl cmd prompt for 65 and have a rooted note 5 custom rom. Very well supported and tested. DD-WRT Rtr 66, <> My phone does not even warm when using data intensively with this app. At least for me. So far for the last few days I've been getting use of my hotspot without the data being reflected on the TMobile website as hotspot data. by LoveMeSomeCALTE Fri Aug 20, 2021 10:31 am, Post Apple patched it so if you edit the carrier bundle that it will break the signature and ignore it. \SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Tcpip\Parameters. Im out. I get great speeds on the device itself but when trying to tether to my laptop or another smartphone it seems like Im capped at 512kbps. Its all about syntax. If you please. Also, how do I force my Windows 10 traffic through the tunnel? For those who failed using PdaNet, you can try connecting to VPN (psiphon free etc) before enabling PdaNet usb tether. here was my experience: If its a 5s then you cant because its a 64bit. Change TTL value from 64 to 65 Thats all start hotspot on the 3 phone and on the recieving phone or pc change TTL to 65" 0. jonmorris Posts: 20,214. Are those the actual speeds on the phone and are you using a true minimal speed tester, ookala or a p2p speed test from one setup to another on the same tower?? for some reason still not working on Linux for me. Mar 18, 2018 #5 So this is working a dream, the only thing left is to get it automated. by Prvt.N00b Wed Dec 23, 2020 12:05 pm, Post Thats mostly directed @flex. PIA has a Mac, Windows, iOS, and Android client which just works. Do i put a space since it might get corrupted if I dont? I need a way that just uses ur phone. Basically, the steps go like this sign-in to Slate, connect to your phones hotspot, then proceed through the settings (my previous post) to paste the line. Cell companies expect this at this point so they inspect the data flowing through this channel to make sure you arent cheating them. by Rich Hathaway Mon Sep 13, 2021 7:06 pm, Post Just open up a administrator command prompt and paste in netsh int ipv4 set glob defaultcurhoplimit=65(without the quotation marks) and restart the computer, this is functionally equivalent to his instructions since all it does is add a registry enrty into the same place you would if done manually. I don't all that much care about the speed(although wtf, I paid for what I paid. The minimum available TTL is usually 30, equivalent to 30 seconds. by kz333 Mon Sep 13, 2021 6:05 pm, Post This feature was previously free and only required activation with the My T-Mobile account settings. Append:I don't have either of the "files"(if it's or anything else in this tree is even a file) you mentioned. How du I apply these changes in command line? They had set up a different one that triggered when tethering was enabled. I get a text from MetroPCS the minute I get near or go over 35GB telling me I will be deprioritized or whatever. Apologies for taking so long, I fell asleep writing a gpc script. I just need to find a cheap router to load one of the open firmwares to it, any suggestions? Just my experience. I don't know, all I can say is try it. Well show you three ways to get what you paid for while using mobile data on your PC. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Save my name and email and send me emails as new comments are made to this post. And depending on the antenna setup of the phone you might not even be able to get full bandwidth. Thank you. I wouls try and use it, but it takes so long to download Itunes, if there is a version that does not require it, please link it. What should I do on the phone side, tetherdun=0 or net.tetheringprovisioning=true. Langkah 1 Sambungkan wifi/hotspot dari telefon ke laptop. sppeeds will onyl be cut in half if you are running a repeater bridge with one antenna, especially a old as dirt linksys 54g, that barly has the power to run ddwrt to begin with(that had to make a light build to get it working on the thing), any thing you add as a go between will increase the latency, if you wanted the lowest latency why dont you just connect directly to the pc, with its ttl edited there will be no extra processing, the only need for a server or router to mangle the data is to allow more devices to connect, it also simplifies the network for me, but its not a requirement in any sense. I had to downgrade the firmware from ASUS, and then I was able to install DD-WRT. I am tethering my phone to the routers usb to provide a wireless hospot for two ipads and two laptops. My advice is to ignore that VPN University link. by gscheb Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:11 pm, Post iptables -t mangle -I POSTROUTING -o `get_wanface` -j TTL ttl-set 64 Thank you, My nexus 5x 6.01 was rooted and have tether router apk. Currently, T-Mobile states those that use over 50GB+ may get throttled. Perhaps Im missing something? So for ISP its your phone who is sending all the data packets. Append:Made it work with this app. Not to say it doesnt currently work, just that the traffic looks clearly different then what the phone makes, all it would take is a simple firewall update and your tethering wouldnt work, they seem to currently be redirecting ttls 65,128,256 and somemore in-between. If I use a ubuntu setup, will my MB per second speed increase? With a router? What can I do differently?]. I wouldnt say that there is no way around that but you would just end up stripping it down into Windows server; at that point you might as well have just installed Ubuntu server and modded it a lil. Custom rules is bug, Hello Chris PdaNet does work Im using it right now to power my laptop on my MetroPCS phone make sure to install the PC drivers and phone drivers. Dave, I just downloaded EasyTether last night but havent tried it yet. I wanted to change TTL, but it does not work. The phone has a ttl of 64(in base 10) so just add 1 per hop and your good usually you are just one away(wifi hotspot). at android.os.Binder.onTransact(Binder.java:492) http://i.imgur.com/WNl1T3R.png. Honestly though since you have a nexus device, i would recommend rooting and useing teather router(playstore) sonce that would allow teather bypassing on any device, but you have to be comfortable with doing so, its a better long-term solution though. My connection speed is 8Mbps for first 30GB and then 512kbps thereafter (and they call it a broadband con3ction?!?!?! In the ASUS router admin window ( General | USB Application | 3G/4G ) I noticed I could hook my Android phone directly to the router. usage https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B559FIpi6uslNTFjb2ZQSW83bFE/view. Regarding the VPN question I will contact PIA support. If you're going to be using the laptop/computer as your device to use the data on, you'll be setting it's TTL to "65". For others reading this my setup is: ill try to remember this site and come back later but look into my info folks. Or of highspeed data? networking. iptables -t mangle -I POSTROUTING -o `get_wanface` -j TTL ttl-inc 1. So Ive tried all of these, I tried changing the APN, but that didnt work, many times as well. DDT-wrt and tomato have a pretty easy setting for this feature. Once again you MUST change the apn AND you have to make sure that your traffic is actually being routed through the VPN, in my experience on both android and iOS hotspot traffic bypass your phones VPN, and VPN on the router/computer traveling through the phone can be tracked if the phone isnt the one using the VPN, to make it force traffic through the VPN I had to use the for data option in the tether me app on iOS. Jay I wish I could kiss you through the monitor you are a genius thank you!!!! assuming outgoing traffic passes through ether1 to your ISP. Do the data equivalent of driving 5 MPH over the speed limit. If you're just using the data on your laptop/computer, use the following commands in the CMD window: netsh int ipv4 set glob defaultcurhoplimit=65, netsh int ipv6 set glob defaultcurhoplimit=65. Im not sure VPN will work but maybe this is better than the one I been using as I have to pay? Note: If you see error: device not found it is usually because A) you need to update your phone USB drivers on your PC or B) your USB cable isnt capable of transmitting data because it is only designed to charge the phone or C) USB Debugging isnt enabled. at com.android.providers.settings.SettingsService$MyShellCommand.onComma at com.android.providers.settings.SettingsService$MyShellCommand.putForU Now your account seems as its getting monitored and was manually given a red flag. For anyone else searching: iptables -t mangle -I POSTROUTING 1 -j TTL --ttl-set 65. Im making a WP website so I do use it more than usual but not in a 100gigs or so. I don't have any tethering mods, only the Magisk modules listed. I am a babe in the woods. Im still using metro. Android creates a second rmnet interface in which hotspot is routed over. Sorry I cant be more specific, I didnt takenotes while working on it and i havent touched it (aside from occasional reboots) in ~a year. Activated User Agent switcher in Chrome. at com.android.providers.settings.SettingsProvider.insertGlobalSetting(U Thats fair to me.people under 35GB usage get full speed and heavy 35GB + users get lower priority but still not a real throttle and still totally useable high speed as far as Im concerned. It communicates to the network router whether or not the packet should be in the network for too long or discarded. Its a two part process. The Caps was a typo, but since it's working, I left it. ission.WRITE_SECURE_SETTINGS, java.lang.SecurityException: Permission denial: writing to settings requires:and Yes, the file you pushed to the other phone should solve this as soon as you may post it. Also can review below commands, will this option will work? A big Thank You! T-Mobile CEO John Legere has announced his intention to go after Network Abusers who are using as much as 2 TB of data and are circumventing T-Mobiles throttling and data caps. I have noticed a little bleed thru (i think from my kali box) may have to run command on it to make it recursive. They can be tricky. Step 3) Whatever device you're going to be using the data on, launch a VPN. Pash It does state that the carrier may have a different figure than the one showing on my device, so maybe it IS hidden? Dear me o my at the typos. No way that a phone can process as much, cleanly and as fast, as a proper built sever. As long as you have a hotspot limit and not a 4g/lte limit then it shouldnt be too late. I have a top up sim, its unlimited internet if I top up 10 each month and I get to keep the 10. And how did you find -what- to change the APN to? However I just got the Unlocked Galaxy Note 8.. I originally was trying to get you to void the signatures and over right the current one but, assuming these are completely un-touched files, Im a lil list at the moment as you shouldnt have any problems pushing a valid bundle. As I understand it, Android. And all those 3 methods. How to save changes? Hi everyone, there is something I'm doing wrong, I used TTL 65 with almost every company down here where I live, however there is just one company that this trick doesn't work(Digicel), I have tested almost every number from 60 up to 119 and they still know I'm tethering. The maximum TTL that you can apply is 86,400 (24 hours). Dee, I have read all the posts, but it wasnt clear if using the router with that method would hide the tethering usage. C:\Users\12345nanananana>adb shell Not the smoothest method but it would work ATLEAST for now. I cant locate carrier.plist in the program. I have a rt-n56u and Ive tried to enter net.ipv4.ip_default_ttl = 65 via telnet, but Ive been unable to see the expected results. And the whole flashmode just wasn't working from start, although it should be. Like when you are on a call does it still say lte in the corner ever?? Lol. Everything I use is behind the router so Im not too worried. I dont know why it posted as all one line, but there are three commands in there. This is the purpose of changing/hiding the header information including, but not limited to, the ttl (time to live) value. Look at your current sons and use the same one that is for mobile web for the hotspot. A free app on the google play store and it works for everything.. been doing it for months..never had any issues, Which one do you use? Its a lol over kill but I have yet to overload it as I have every router Ive owned. Presumably this command goes in Network>Firewall>Custom Rules? After going thru my 15GB in a week while camping, Verizon throttled my hotspot to 600Kbpswhich might as well be them turning off the function. I am fairly sure that asuswrt-merlin is capable of running the script. Im 99% sure it does but Ive always wondered as I avoid it like the plague.
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